Just another way of women taking a step back. Damn. I always feel like all these women worked so hard to advance so we could all be seen for something beyond what's between our legs. Then we have shit like this. I guess if you only want to be a housewife and cook and sew and clean, good for you but there is no way in hell I could do that.
I understand your opinion of anythings possible so you don't really want to disregard anything entirely. I don't know, I never really think I'm wrong or at least I don't worry about possibly being wrong or what will happen if I am wrong. Haha, that sounds so arrogant but I feel very confident in what I believe, which is: we are just people, we're just here to live and die and that's how it works. Sometimes some of us contribute something awesome to society and sometimes we don't. When we die, we die. No soul, no moving on, no anything. As far as Christianity is concerned: I 100% completely believe that Jesus lived and died on this earth, he was a real man who gave a lot of hope to people. He gave people something to hold on to and something to believe in. During rough times, he made them feel better so long after he was gone people have consistently held on to that belief.
Although I am pretty confident in my beliefs, who the hell knows really. Honestly, it's just easier to believe nothing. That whole thing about not being able to absolutely prove anything is what keeps me from really considering anything else.
Ok so I'll stop rambling before this turns into a book. Haha.
Zan
· 2 years ago
Oh Lordy, here comes the flood...
What do I think of this? Well, first off, I have no problem at all with degree programs being offered with the purpose of teaching home-making skills. Learning how to run a household is necessary and, I think, should be valued as much as any other skill one would pick up for any other job.
HOWEVER, I do NOT agree with the degree program being offered only to women. I understand that the university in question is trying to promote "biblical gender roles", and I respect that promotion. I think that families who CHOOSE to follow the biblical role guidelines should have access to all the resources allowing them to do so. If that's what works best for some families, it's wonderful!! But with this degree program only being offered to women, you will have women out there feeling ashamed of themselves because they would rather have an outside career than dedicate themselves to homemaking. And you will have men ashamed of themselves if they want to learn to cook and such.
Now, here is some of my disagreement with biblical gender roles. The article says "Whether a woman works outside or strictly in the home, her first priority is her family and home". This quote makes me think that, indeed, the idea of biblical gender roles does NOT discount a woman's working outside the home. If she wants to have an outside career, then it is supported. HOWEVER, the quote also gives one the impression that, should a woman choose to have an outside career, she would STILL BE RESPONSIBLE for the home-making duties. To this I say, WTF??? If, in a couple, only one person is working steadily to pay household bills, then I do believe the other should take over the duties of the home. To me it seems only fair. If BOTH people in a couple are working, then it would seem reasonable to me that the household duties would be split. According to biblical gender roles this is not the case. It used to be that women were not only encouraged to dedicate themselves to household duties, but were pretty much forced to do so or face ridicule and ostracization. Then society relaxed a little and said, "Well, if you wanna go make some money go for it." But see, this turned out to be a big joke. When women went out to get jobs, they came home and found out that the role of home-maker was still theirs. Thanks a lot.
So now, when prices are high and incomes can be very low, sometimes families have no choice but to have both man and woman working. ESPECIALLY if they have children to take care of. There are a lot of families out there who are in this boat and have taken great strides to encourage equal division of labor. However, I see in many cases and in many attitudes the idea that when a woman has an outside job she has to come home and take care of the house too.
For stats, I've read a lot of research that indicates that even though men are taking over more of the household duties in the past 20 years, it is nowhere near equal. This is when you look at actual time spent doing home chores that must be done (not the extra things that one could choose to do or not do in a home) in households where the lead couple spends roughly the same amount of time working an outside job. Interestingly enough, men who do not believe that women should be responsible for all of the housework only worked, on average, a few minutes more on household duties than men who believe in traditional gender roles. If you would like me to cite the numbers and my sources please let me know.
Now I've read articles and been in discussions and such when the point has come up that men just "don't have the same household instincts" that women do. For example, a dirty carpet won't bother a guy, he'll just vacuum it later or wait until some fungus colony moves in and then maybe he'll take care of it. A dirty carpet is more likely to bug the hell out of a woman much quicker until she just must vacuum. I think there is some truth to this, in most situations I've seen men are much more willing to live in filth than women.
Whether it's instinct that comes from biology or habits coming from society, it doesn't change the fact that, for me anyway...
IT'S NOT FAIR!!
Zan
· 2 years ago
Oh, and thank you VERY much for the new-job kudos!!
Becca
· 2 years ago
You asked for opinions on the article you mention in the first sentence. I read it and felt the rage that is only ignited by closed minded thinking. Then I took a deep breath and concidered what had been written. As you've written everyone is intitled to his or her opinion not matter what I think of it. This is one of the reasons I avoid taking politics or religion with my mother. I know people of all sorts of religious stances also. I've never heard a Pagan say much negative about Christianity. They mostly comment on how the holidays are based on Pagan holidays.
I wish they would teach things like homemaking in school. I took home ec but it didn't really do me any good. They should offer the classes to men and women though. In today's society everyone needs to know that sort of thing. If I had learned how to cook, clean, balance a check book, and such we'd be a bit better off right now. (Stupid over draft fees.)
As far as Lexy's new job, that is totally awesome! I hope she really likes it. I know it will be a much shorter drive to work which is always nice. I think you are right, she is a winner. ^_^ You are a winner also you just need to find your niche. You'll get there eventually. Keep smilin' and don't let your current situation get you down.
Ryan
· 2 years ago
In Raptor Jesus, I believe!! All in all I agree with what you are saying here. I also agree with Lexy's comment.
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I understand your opinion of anythings possible so you don't really want to disregard anything entirely. I don't know, I never really think I'm wrong or at least I don't worry about possibly being wrong or what will happen if I am wrong. Haha, that sounds so arrogant but I feel very confident in what I believe, which is: we are just people, we're just here to live and die and that's how it works. Sometimes some of us contribute something awesome to society and sometimes we don't. When we die, we die. No soul, no moving on, no anything. As far as Christianity is concerned: I 100% completely believe that Jesus lived and died on this earth, he was a real man who gave a lot of hope to people. He gave people something to hold on to and something to believe in. During rough times, he made them feel better so long after he was gone people have consistently held on to that belief.
Although I am pretty confident in my beliefs, who the hell knows really. Honestly, it's just easier to believe nothing. That whole thing about not being able to absolutely prove anything is what keeps me from really considering anything else.
Ok so I'll stop rambling before this turns into a book. Haha.
What do I think of this? Well, first off, I have no problem at all with degree programs being offered with the purpose of teaching home-making skills. Learning how to run a household is necessary and, I think, should be valued as much as any other skill one would pick up for any other job.
HOWEVER, I do NOT agree with the degree program being offered only to women. I understand that the university in question is trying to promote "biblical gender roles", and I respect that promotion. I think that families who CHOOSE to follow the biblical role guidelines should have access to all the resources allowing them to do so. If that's what works best for some families, it's wonderful!! But with this degree program only being offered to women, you will have women out there feeling ashamed of themselves because they would rather have an outside career than dedicate themselves to homemaking. And you will have men ashamed of themselves if they want to learn to cook and such.
Now, here is some of my disagreement with biblical gender roles. The article says "Whether a woman works outside or strictly in the home, her first priority is her family and home". This quote makes me think that, indeed, the idea of biblical gender roles does NOT discount a woman's working outside the home. If she wants to have an outside career, then it is supported. HOWEVER, the quote also gives one the impression that, should a woman choose to have an outside career, she would STILL BE RESPONSIBLE for the home-making duties. To this I say, WTF??? If, in a couple, only one person is working steadily to pay household bills, then I do believe the other should take over the duties of the home. To me it seems only fair. If BOTH people in a couple are working, then it would seem reasonable to me that the household duties would be split. According to biblical gender roles this is not the case. It used to be that women were not only encouraged to dedicate themselves to household duties, but were pretty much forced to do so or face ridicule and ostracization. Then society relaxed a little and said, "Well, if you wanna go make some money go for it." But see, this turned out to be a big joke. When women went out to get jobs, they came home and found out that the role of home-maker was still theirs. Thanks a lot.
So now, when prices are high and incomes can be very low, sometimes families have no choice but to have both man and woman working. ESPECIALLY if they have children to take care of. There are a lot of families out there who are in this boat and have taken great strides to encourage equal division of labor. However, I see in many cases and in many attitudes the idea that when a woman has an outside job she has to come home and take care of the house too.
For stats, I've read a lot of research that indicates that even though men are taking over more of the household duties in the past 20 years, it is nowhere near equal. This is when you look at actual time spent doing home chores that must be done (not the extra things that one could choose to do or not do in a home) in households where the lead couple spends roughly the same amount of time working an outside job. Interestingly enough, men who do not believe that women should be responsible for all of the housework only worked, on average, a few minutes more on household duties than men who believe in traditional gender roles. If you would like me to cite the numbers and my sources please let me know.
Now I've read articles and been in discussions and such when the point has come up that men just "don't have the same household instincts" that women do. For example, a dirty carpet won't bother a guy, he'll just vacuum it later or wait until some fungus colony moves in and then maybe he'll take care of it. A dirty carpet is more likely to bug the hell out of a woman much quicker until she just must vacuum. I think there is some truth to this, in most situations I've seen men are much more willing to live in filth than women.
Whether it's instinct that comes from biology or habits coming from society, it doesn't change the fact that, for me anyway...
IT'S NOT FAIR!!
I wish they would teach things like homemaking in school. I took home ec but it didn't really do me any good. They should offer the classes to men and women though. In today's society everyone needs to know that sort of thing. If I had learned how to cook, clean, balance a check book, and such we'd be a bit better off right now. (Stupid over draft fees.)
As far as Lexy's new job, that is totally awesome! I hope she really likes it. I know it will be a much shorter drive to work which is always nice. I think you are right, she is a winner. ^_^ You are a winner also you just need to find your niche. You'll get there eventually. Keep smilin' and don't let your current situation get you down.
Probably eat us.